Ugh, it looks so cool (and htmx too), but I have a visceral negative reaction to any programming language that tries to look like English sentences. How irrational am I to think that will necessarily lead to doom somehow? Is there perhaps a systematic way to make sure it parses predictably while still having the writability benefits of resembling natural language? Is that even a problem in practice?

In practice people learn languages symbolically regardless, whether the syntax is "field of button" or "button.field" – 

When I was 12, knowing hypertalk's "send message 'abc' to card 'foo'" and then encountering C's foo->abc() , it clicked immediately and my reaction was "cool!" – so for me at least it worked

Parsing is the hyperscript programmer's problem, keeping a sane grammar – and others can probably hack around that grammar for a less talky syntax in the future

Parsing is everyone's problem. The user needs a fairly accurate mental model of how the parser works to be able to read or write their code. They have to parse it mentally to read it, and code is read more often than it's written.

https://twitter.com/htmx_org/status/1371848911216914436

This looks interesting indeed. I have been thinking a bit about how visual logic programming would feel like, so this may align well

Thanks for sharing, it's quite an interesting approach! 😄 It appears the author Calum Grant (https://www.linkedin.com/in/calum-grant-51ab979/) most recently worked on the Semmle program analysis toolchain, which was acquired by GitHub.

Could you say more words about this?

Some people's politics prevents any kind of public sector work, maybe Miles is referring to that. In general I think people should resist immediate armchair cynicism.

You said "this is not tied to the military" and yet section 5 fairly clearly states that "national security" imperatives can direct the activity of the agency. @Cole Lawrence click through on the pdf link for the text.

My politics very definitely don't preclude public sector work. However, they make me choosy about what public sector initiatives I would want to be involved in. "National security" is certainly broader than "military", but it includes it and a lot of other (from my PoV) objectionable things besides.

(For future reference, this thread is a reply to this https://futureofcoding.slack.com/archives/C5U3SEW6A/p1615977400006700 about Dominic Cummings' ARIA idea. And since Cummings is a figure the discussion of whom has previously been rather rocky, I'd like to remind everyone of the https://futureofcoding.org/member-handbook and the https://github.com/futureofcoding/code-of-conduct. Cheers! I'm here if you need me.)

First it was electricity and sand. Then it was aqueducts and waterwheels (or maybe this came first). Now it's crabs and "intimidation plates".

Soon, it'll be departed spirits and warding sigils, or quantum foam and pencil shavings.

Computation is eating all worlds. It must be stopped.

!!!

^ Dibs on using that as my https://xkcd.com/936/-style password.

wow. thought this looked interesting but didn’t expect it to be as great as it was! should be required watching for language designers imo

The philosophy here is considerably deeper than the example, which I think can be summed up with people expect something like breadth-first search in Prolog-like languages. (I've seen it time and again.)

But adapting to how people expect a language to work? That's the ticket!

A very good talk indeed. Makes me wonder to what degree language user expectations depend on their prior experience, not just in computing. Also how the way their expectations evolve depends on their prior experience.

Thanks for sharing this talk. That Venn diagramming coadaption idea was super nice!

I worked with Yedalog inside Google! Small world 😄

The "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MissingNo." secret is one hell of a deep cut. 💯

For anyone who didn't find it, here's my game state:

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This was great. Also super relevant to FOC for two reasons. The technical write up is great https://github.com/mmulet/code-relay/blob/main/markdown/HowIDidIt.md and it also shows how a non-turing complete DSL can be used in creative ways to make relatively complex applications

Like... They basically turned a font layout engine into a choice based fiction engine

Really cool hack! And the "How I did it" post is very interesting. I really love how people hack programming languages to create stuff in unexpected ways. Thanks for sharing that Mariano!

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